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Needles- 06-23-2008
H/H HM EotN Missions + Dungs
I want to finish my HM books for my Necro. So is it possible to H/H all the Missions + Dungs in HM? Btw I'm terrible at HM, even low level Proph Missions gave me trouble, enough that I haven't tried any more challenging missions... Any builds/recommendations? Thanks!

gerg- 06-23-2008

Given you have rez shrines throughout the Dungeons you have a chance at finishing these. I think solo with only Heros and Henches may be very difficult on a few of the dungeons. I would expect that a few Ursan, R10, with heros would be able to handle just about all of them, however. I know it will generally take a longer time than having real people. For example Slavers Exile, can be done with a few people and heros and henches, in normal mode, but it take much longer. I think HM for Slavers and a few other difficult dungeons may be near impossible as solo with H&H in HM. You may be able to do it, but plan for long times and careful pulls.

Needles- 06-23-2008

I figured I'd have to group for Slavers' but there are some pugs for that, I haven't heard too many pugs forming groups for the rest. At least that I've noticed...

Sir Sheep- 06-23-2008

I've done most of the dungeons in HM with H/H. Some of them pose problems if you go it alone (like Shards of Orr) because the H/H are finicky and clump together. In most cases, having just one more person with you helps a tremendous deal just by the mere fact of having more hero options and consequently better builds. My warrior only has Slavers' left to do in HM, so would love to hook up with you to get that one done. The nice thing is, apart from Duncan, the rest of the dungeons (Thommis, Selvetarm and Forgewight) can be done in NM. :D

jhaedin- 06-23-2008

I H/H'ed all of the missions in HM at least 2 times each, and I completed 4 HM books (2 with help, 2 without) I would offer build ideas but I have noticed that Anet makes minor changes and some of the things I did to get through wont work any more. Blood Washes Blood HM was by far the most difficult for me to H/H. I offer to help you with that one when I can. My monk will 600/smite it for you. The best way to do that one is bring a 600/smite monk combo to clear 99% of the Charr. Bring 1 ursan to smash the gates open and you can skip that portion of the mission of getting Bear form. The ursan + 5 other party members need to kill the monk boss because the 600/smite either cant do it or it takes forever. As for Dungeons in HM, I would think they would be WAY tougher than the missions. I need Slavers in NM so I would love to come along for the Thom/Rand, Selve, and Forge dungeons.

Die- 07-09-2008

Yeah I agree most of the missions can be done I'm sure, some of them I can barely notice the difference in HM and NM. but the dungeons esp. slavers are from the little HM I've tried in them seem nearly impossible H+H. there is a build on wiki I have wanted to try you could probably duo http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Slaver%27s_Exile I had some trouble with Archnis Haunt in HM due to earthbound ooze. I'd just say based on what I've done I agree with all the above post, the only mission that gave me a lot of trouble imo was kathadrax crusher (cyndrr wurm) I didn't have the killing power to drop him before he went back in running barrels myself in HM thats much easier with 2 so you can drop his shield before he regens again. Also the norn part of DD is tough I actually had to camp the hill, put all my golems on ranged and put my party behind the doorway to trap them in the door. shouldnt be much problem for you on most these just set up vekk as the right counter element, if you can manage it give your mellee a weapon to trigger synergy with vekk and set up a MM, worked pretty good for me so far :) I'm finishing ranking up my Ursan atm to 10 for slavers I would like to do it some myself.

gerg- 07-09-2008

Not sure why you want to H&H them, but have done Slavers Many times with human teams. Only Duncan has to be done in HM to get credit for HM, so you do all the others, Forge, Thom/Rand, and Selv in NM and only do the final one, Duncan in HM. Ursan teams again are having success, especially if you use cons. Othewise you have the Obby Tank Trinity team that can do all of the areas, including Duncan in HM. Unfortuntely Slavers is somewhat dead for all but a few Ursan teams. It used to be very vital with the standard trinity team, but now that has pretty much disappeared.

Die- 07-10-2008
just my opinion
Well in general my answer to the first post was Yes it can be done, no it's certainly not easy. hehe, & yeah I wouldn't have any reason to HM or H+H slavers other than I guess that was a specific answer to a non specific question :) besides the obvious lack of reason for being in there I was just adding that it's not too easy either. I tend to try things in HM just for the challenge and hopes for better drops. my single excursion into Thommis in HM pretty much set me against HM Duncan h+h. My post is just the few HM I had a ton of trouble with myself and wanted to share, but I also vaguely prepared for some of them. I have been gone a long long time off this game I am surely trying to get caught up.. I'm set up to be obby tank but lacking 2 factions skills so I am finishing Ursan as an optional- just saying I also have slavers on my hit list of places to do... not necessarily in HM if anyone needs me.

kilgore- 07-11-2008

Yeah, I'm currently stuck at the cyndrr wurm. I can get down to her without anybody dying, but by the time I've dropped 3 barrels, only Koss and me are still alive to take a few swipes before she retreats. There's not enough life left in the group to make it through the next 3 barrel drops. Any advice on my H+H method? Otherwise, I'll be looking for some more barrel droppers.

Xavier- 07-11-2008
H/H Cyndir
the only way I was able to kill Cyndrr with H/H was by degenning it to death. Basically I flagged my heroes down the corridor, ran out there to trigger it, ran back in the corridor, stayed out of range and cast degen and conditions on it. You don't have to crack it's shell for that. Otherwise Give me a shout when I am online and we'll team up and kill it.

Sir Sheep- 07-11-2008

If you really want to take him on head on, it takes a little bit of creative flagging so he hits only one hero or just the henchies with his attack. And take a prot monk. The prot monk is your best friend in these kinds of missions.

kilgore- 07-11-2008

Thanks, guys. I'll give it one more shot...

gerg- 07-11-2008

Yup Cyndir takes a special team setup or go with a real Human team. I Human team with say 3 or 4 real people will not have a problem with Cynder. If I am available I will help as well.

kilgore- 07-12-2008

Yeah, humans rule! 4 barrel droppers and we beat her to a sliver. On reimergence, degen killed her before the next barrels exploded. I got a stupid gold spear.

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